Dp
I will, but tech gets old. This is now the horrible stretch of transistion.
If your Ps3 freaks out / gets eaten / runs away with the xbox, do you buy a new one or wait for a Ps4?

Sony made some lofty promises and unveiled big ideas. Now we will have to see if they can implement. And what will the costs be? Not just money, but privacy (social media my arse. Spying is more like it), extra peripherals, bandwith etc.

Wow that is an absolute crock of[censored].

Here I was finally getting excited about this but not even psn games? So all my ps1 titles iv bought again are basically useless if I dont own a ps3? despite digital meant to last longer than disc?

Wow well thats a slap in the face.

History has shown that people will complain about it and then go repurchase the content, so Sony knows they can do it and get away with it.

@DG

I dont mind repurchasing my ps3 games, but having to pay for a third in some cases fourth time for final fantasy agaiiiin which will probably not work when the ps5 is released is highly annoying.

Especially when digital downloads pose absolutely no collectors nor resale value.

@Woofels
Not to mention, that all it takes is coding to make them compatible to the machine.

I however do mind paying for ps3 games again, it's not like they're cheap either digitally or physically, and then to also only be able to stream them!

Part of my issue with this, and it's the same as with online only games like Diablo 3, is that, unlike with the ps2 etc, 10 years from now, if your console is still working, you can play them again. What happens if for some inexplicable reason, Blizzard goes bankrupt, you're left with a game you spent R500 + on that is no longer usable through no fault of your own. It's SP yet you can't play it because the server no longer exists. Wonderful. And the same goes for a streaming game service. What happens if Sony goes bankrupt and noone wants or can afford to foot the bill for keeping those servers up and running. PS3 games you've paid for twice and are no longer usable, wonderful.

And people can say, hey, it's Sony, they're huge, they'll never go under. But noone knows what the future holds and in the financial climate the world is in right now and liable to head into? There's no guarantees.

My question though is they say the dont want emulation sucking up all the machines power?

Your telling me that this machine is not powerful enough to emulate ps1 games and ps2 games? Hell it doesnt even have to be native, you can open up an entirely seperate app and browse for the games for all I care.

But I mean I can successful emulate playstation two games on my pc, which is nowhere near as powerful as these specs, but they cant make an emulation app?

Something doesnt sit right with me there.

@Woofels
I'm of two minds about that. Until a couple of years back modern pc's couldn't emulate old arcade games like Ghosts and Goblins properly, lol.

No, I think they're been full of rubbish on that myself. If the machine, with those specs can't emulate the games properly, it says there's a problem with the coders, not the machine.

If they said they needed to cut the cost of the machine by removing the emulation chip so the machine would be cheaper for consumers, that would make sense.

Unless the architecture is radically different, like the PS3's which means the games don't run efficiently on the hardware because it handles certain functions differently or doesn't do them at all, that makes sense, but then the last 2 years have shown how lucrative HD updates can be, which again comes back to coding, or in this case, recoding.

But to me it says, "We're gonna milk you anyway we can.", by making sure if you want to play the games you love, you're going to have to keep rebuying them.

DEATHGIGAS said ...

@Woofels

Unless the architecture is radically different, like the PS3's which means the games don't run efficiently on the hardware because it handles certain functions differently or doesn't do them at all, that makes sense

This is exactly the reason.

PS2 architecture is radically different from PS3 architecture which is radically different from PS4 architecture.

We already know this from yesterdays presentation. The ides of PS4 not playing PS3 games is old news and should have been accepted by now. Unless the PS4 comes with a CELL chip built into it, which is not going to happen since that is the most costly piece of hardware on the PS3.

This also explains why PSN games wont make the transfer... they are built for the PS3 CELL processor. It is not that simple to just emulate that considering its such a different design approach to handling coding than traditional PC architectures.

phreak said ...

Tebulot said ...

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/sony-psn-games-wont-transfer-to-ps4/

PSN GAMES NOT TRANSFERABLE

Heard about this a short while ago..... such a load of BS!!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunate but the technical argument makes sense. Hopefully if they do get the streaming service through Gaikai running we won't be charged for our PS3 games again. I did say hopefully...

I am not phased about the ps3 stuff I am talking ps1 and ps2 here.

I am running a X86cpu 3.2ghz quad core with 8gig of ram and a 1gig 512bit interface radeon video card.

PS1 I can emulate any game I have tried properly and even improve how it looks via shaders and numerous other plug ins.

Ps2 I have emulated virtually all games with out a problem save for some cut scenes, the same actually goes for my Wii.

All this emulation software made by third party people most of them collage students or even younger with out access to all sonys coding after the year.

And people want to tell me a machine that powerful could not open up a separate app and run at least ps1 and ps2 games under emulation with out massive problems?

Yeah I am sorry, I'm calling [censored] on that. PS3 emulation I can agree with no problems given that the machine itself is still a power house, but when I have seen a mid range pc by todays specs running ps1 & ps2 games with out problems yeah.

The other option is that when this Gakai service comes into play they see all the digital content you already have and you dont pay for it again, but the likely hood of that happening is next to nothing.

Yes you want the ps4 for ps4 games, but to be quite honest some of the most fun I have had this generation has been replaying my old ps1 games that I have downloaded digitally.

There has really been so pathetically[censored] all with games this generation that has really stuck with me. To be honest the only four games that have really stuck in my mind are Valkyria Chronicles, Tales Of Vesperia, Xenoblade chronicles and The Last Story.

So now having to go and buy all these ps1 titles and ps2 titles again is beyond annoying especially when there is no longer any form of resale value available.

I have no intention of selling my ps3 under this case but my ps3 is now old and one day is probably going to go on me some day soon.

I just find it ridiculous that we are going down the road of you want to play something you bought your going to need to have to keep every console you over own or a stupid amount of money to rebuy everything.

There is no technical reason why the Xbox should not support BC for X360 or XBLA games. Interesting to see if they include it or whether they decide not to since Sony hasn't/can't.

“At this time we have no official release date or recommended retail price for South Africa. We are however confident that a simultaneous release will shortly be available for all major territories. Ster Kinekor Entertainment expect to have more details on release strategy in the next few weeks,” Mario Dos Santos, chief executive officer of Ster Kinekor Entertainment, told News24.

http://www.news24.com/Technology/News/SA-to-get-PS4-Sony-says-20130221

At the PlayStation Meeting yesterday, Sony revealed that its new console ships with 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, not the 4GB we previously reported. It was a pleasant surprise not just for us, but also for many game developers out there working on PS4 titles now and completely unaware of the upgrade - a final flourish to the design seemingly added in at the last moment to make PlayStation 4 the most technologically advanced games console of the next gaming era.

From an engineering perspective, it's a remarkable achievement. Sony itself doesn't fabricate memory, it buys from major suppliers who advertise the parts available months (sometimes years) ahead of delivery, so we have a decent idea of what options the platform holders have on the table in creating their next-gen systems. The GDDR5 memory modules - the same used in PC graphics cards - are only available in certain configurations, with the densest option available offering 512MB per module. The startling reality is that unless Sony has somehow got access to a larger chip that isn't yet in mass production and that nobody knows about, it has crammed 16 memory modules onto its PS4 motherboard. To illustrate the extent of the achievement, Nvidia's $1000 graphics card - the GeForce Titan - offers "just" 6GB of onboard GDDR5.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4

Despite Sony showing the currently-available PS Move controller being used with PS4 during the console's unveiling event on Wednesday, the firm says the new console will not support the use of the standard DualShock 3 controller.

"No, [the PlayStation 4] doesn't support DualShock 3 but it does support PS Move," clarified Sony Shuhei Yoshida to Polygon.

The reasons are unclear since the DS3 controller uses the same industry-standard Bluetooth 2.0 tech as the Move controller to connect with PS3, which suggests PS4 will have Bluetooth 2.0 capabilities.

A Sony rep interrupted further questioning regarding the use of other PS3 peripherals with PS4, such as the wireless Bluetooth headset. "I don't think we're addressing additional peripheral support at this time," they said.

Yoshida added, "That doesn't necessarily mean it won't work."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/392902/ps4-wont-support-dualshock-3-controllers/

Update: Purchased PSN games 'could' be transferred to PS4 - Yoshida

Yoshida has told Polygon that it could be possible for PS4's future cloud services to recognise users' PS3 PS Store purchases, if Sony should "choose" to make it so.

"We could do so if we choose to," he said. "We know who purchased what as a record. But we are working on service plans and we haven't decided."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/392842/update-purchased-psn-games-could-be-transferred-to-ps4-yoshida/

PlayStation 4 will be built to support 4K resolution output for video but not games, an executive at the company has said.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/392877/ps4-supports-4k-but-not-for-games/

@Woofles and everybody else

One thing to consider is that the PS4 might not play your old PS1 or PS2 titles, but the Vita will.
So, if you have the golden collection (PS4 AND Vita, the way they want you to) you could still play everything.

Still, buying both is a fat wad of dosh. Maybe we will see a combo pack?

@Teb

And if I dont feel like playing my games on small screen or trying to grip a handheld?

I know first world problems, but thats still something that gets on my [censored].

So I certainly hope sony "chooses" to transfer them across.

Then my only complaint is that it will be streaming, but hey as long as I dont have to pay again I wont bitch.

Can't the vita just connect to your tv?
I agree it's as comfortable to grip as a bar of prison soap though...

@Teb

Vita doesnt have tv connection cables? And i see no mention made it could stream its video to the ps4, only that the ps4 could stream to it.