DarkPrince said ...

Sinncross said ...

But this brings up another issue: if you can just replace the WiiU controller for a normal one then in reality how pivotal is this controller going to be? Sure it has cool functionality and I reckon we can see some clever things from devs, but the console is being marketted around a controller which is not even a requirement to play games.

Same thing can be said for the Kinect and Move yet I don't see anyone complaining there.

Not a good comparison.

Those are marketted as alternate peripherals (well not for MS it appears) hence why no one needs to complain about them. You are buying the peripheral if you want the games that actually require the device.

Completely different situation with the Wii U in which the controller is pretty much the consoles defining point, but now possibly not a requirement?

With PS3 and 360 you have a choice if you wish to spend extra money on the Move and Kinect: you are not getting that choice for the Wii U.

ok dude seriously now your just being daft.

Of coarse the control is pivotal too the console and gimmicky as it may be i still see a sweet shyte load of uses for it. You posted it yourself experiments using the PSVita in a similar sort of WiiU set up with a ps3.

Lets face it, as kuk ugly as the thing is the uses for a second screen are endless.

Give me an RPG where iv got an entire screen for my menu, inventory, equips, skills and everything else that be operated by touch while keeping my game screen free from ever having too open another menu?

Thank you! i will be all over that. The uses for it are endless so apart from the graphics, the controller is really a huge selling point on how well it's utalised by developers.

And the fact that nintendo has said you know what, we are not going to force people to play with it they can play with what they like is damn good of them.

To bitch about the fact you can use other controllers is really quite petty when it's just a nice too have feature?

And yes i think the set up of Vita + ps3 combo will be brilliant aswell and i hope Sony follow suit like they did with move controles.

And really it is the exact same as the move and the kinetic. You want too play move and kinetic game titles you go buy those controlers or you buy a console bundle that comes with those controllers.

Same here if you want too play your games with out the WiiU control go buy a classic control or a wiimote, its the same thing, the standard ps3 console doest come with a move or camera with it.

Stop putting spin on it, bottom of the line is it's a new console, with new peripherals that nintendo has said is backwards compatiable with the old ones. Nothing wrong with that

I am just voicing some concerns that is all and I am open to Nintendo proving me wrong.

I posted on the Vita topic info on Wii U like experimentation because it was news that Sony were looking into different ways between PS3/ PSV connectivity. They have already done remote play which will obviously be boosted by the PSV itself. That does not mean I condone it. i would personally prefer to transfer the game, or part of it to the Vita, so that I can play the game without needing the PS3. That is far more applicable then straight video streaming.

Anyhow, I am not saying that access to other controllers is a bad thing because I said nothing of the sort: you should go back and re-read what I actually said Woofels.

Again I am not seeing this analogy to either Move or Kinect working and for one simple reason: Wii U Pad is the main controller for the Wii U, Move and Kinect are secondary to their respective consoles. As you said, you buy those to play games specific to those devices, but you also said that if you cannot use the Wii U pad you can just use a Wii remote or classic pad.

Are you not seeing the incompatability with these two very different statements you made?
The former shows necessary use for the controllers, the latter does not.

Hence why I am concerned about the feasiability of the Wii U Pad if
1) You cannot buy them seperately (which should be reconsidered imho), and
2) If you can just easily replace the controller with other existing controllers.

And then onto your example of using the screen as an inventory system. Yes, its a nice idea and similar to stuff you can see on the DS. But on the DS the screens are linked together making its usage natural. With the Wii U you would need to stop looking at the action on the screen to look at the controller unless you decide to bring the controller up in front of your view of the TV to do both similtaneiously

How is this any better then just hitting the menu button? It is a novel idea sure but not something that fundamentally changes the way you play games.

And what about when you stream the game to your Wii U pad? You have no second screen to use then. You are going to have to bring up a menu on the same screen somehow, and most likely via a button.

This could potentially limit the capacity of the second screen. Designers are going to need to take into account: what if they start deciding to make the experience the same on both the TV and via streaming? This would make whatever you do on the pad itself trivial, or not exclusive to the controllers screen.

And this works the same for when you cannot use the Wii U Pad as the controller. Whatever is important on the Pad's screen would need to be utilised somewhere else on the HUD, menu etc

This is, unless, the game requires the 2nd screen like that shruiken throwing game. Even then, that can be replciated via the Wii remote. But whatever exclusive use the game has, this renders it useless without the Wii U Pad, hence why it malfunctioning could be a problem.

Honestly even after reading that i still think your concerns are unfounded, we cant have it all.

It makes more sense too have the controller under a warrenty system of the console, if it breaks it goes for repair if it cant be repaired it gets replaced, if it is out of warrenty the repair station can sell you a new one.

No-one in their right mind with your average earnings is going too spend R1500+ on a game controller.

End of the day we won't know until the thing is out and can be critiqued in a real world scenario.

So for now just be content we're getting a new console.

Nintendo Shares Fall To 5 Year Low After Wii U Reveal

Nintendo Co. fell to the lowest in more than five years after the unveiling of its high-definition video-game console prompted some analysts to question the company’s ability to repeat the success of its Wii model.

“There were high expectations from the new version of the Wii and this fell far short,” Yusuke Tsunoda, an analyst at Tokai Tokyo Securities Co., said by phone today. “People had expected to see something more at a big event like the E3, but there wasn’t really anything more than what’s already reported.”

Nintendo tumbled 5.7 percent to 16,930 yen at the close of trading in Osaka. More than 2.2 million shares changed hands, compared with a six-month daily average of about 720,000.

Iwata signaled the WiiU will likely be priced at more than 20,000 yen ($250) in Japan when it goes on sale next year, the Nikkei newspaper reported today, citing an interview with the president. Nintendo is unlikely to sell the new console for the same price as the current Wii, the report cited Iwata as saying.

International Business Machines Corp.’s microprocessors will be used in the WiiU system, the Armonk, New York-based company said in a statement.Competition is increasing for Nintendo. Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Kinect motion-sensing controller and Sony’s Move motion controller, both introduced in the past year, have spurred sales, according to industry tracker NPD Group.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-08/nintendo-falls-amid-questions-whether-new-console-can-repeat-wii-s-success.html


seems some people weren't impressed

Interresting (p.s. some swearing)

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hub8f/alright_wii_u_haters_ive_played_the_shit_out_of/

No DVD or bluray support

Lame!

Who watches DVD/Blu ray on console anyway?

Dont see the need for DVD or Blu-ray.

Used my ps3 as a Blue-ray player exactly 3 times and i haven't used any of my consoles as a DVD player ever.

It's a game console lol

I have never used my Fat PS3 as a Blu Ray, too noisy and with Blu Ray players having dropped in price why would I want to use a console as a player nowadays? I think that this is a non issue for most gamers these days. I honestly doubt that many people consider movie playback when buying a console.

It could be difficult for Nintendo to market the Wii U as only just a games console. More and more items are becoming multi-media devices, especially the Xbox360.

Additionally not everyone wants multiple machines that only do individual jobs: people use their PS3/ 360 to watch films, listen to music and other media: there is added value in those devices. If all the Wii U can do is play games, it launches at an obvious disadvantage.

Sinncross said ...

It could be difficult for Nintendo to market the Wii U as only just a games console. More and more items are becoming multi-media devices, especially the Xbox360.

Additionally not everyone wants multiple machines that only do individual jobs: people use their PS3/ 360 to watch films, listen to music and other media: there is added value in those devices. If all the Wii U can do is play games, it launches at an obvious disadvantage.

I think that all depends on the user. TBH this whole multimedia device thing is annoying, most of the functions, beyond gaming, are pretty useless or bogged down by poor programming since they're just add-ons.

I've never used any of my machines to watch movies on and the web browser on the ps3 and psp, while functional, are pretty pathetic.

Personally I'd love something to be just a gaming machine and nothing more. At least they can focus on getting one thing right.

I've used my PS3 twice to play movie files and it is pretty [censored] at that. Limited codec support etc. As a netflix box etc, I can see that if you live overseas and I am sure that Nintendo will eventually get that functionality. But as a DVD and Blu Ray player, I honestly doubt that, that is necessary. TBH how many people who are gamers actually still buy DVDs and Blu Rays, not that many from my experience.

Well to be honest I use my PS3 to watch my Blu-ray movies And I stream videos via my PCs PS3 Media Server to watch anything on the PS3. It's good for me since I don't have an HD tv, but my PC Monitor is HD and I don't have a DVD/Blu-Ray Player with a remote control other than my PS3 hehe

DEATHGIGAS said ...

Sinncross said ...

It could be difficult for Nintendo to market the Wii U as only just a games console. More and more items are becoming multi-media devices, especially the Xbox360.

Additionally not everyone wants multiple machines that only do individual jobs: people use their PS3/ 360 to watch films, listen to music and other media: there is added value in those devices. If all the Wii U can do is play games, it launches at an obvious disadvantage.

I think that all depends on the user. TBH this whole multimedia device thing is annoying, most of the functions, beyond gaming, are pretty useless or bogged down by poor programming since they're just add-ons.

I've never used any of my machines to watch movies on and the web browser on the ps3 and psp, while functional, are pretty pathetic.

Personally I'd love something to be just a gaming machine and nothing more. At least they can focus on getting one thing right.

I've personally found multimedia usage on my PS3 pretty hassle-free, though the net could use an upgrade liek Chrome or Firefox.

Either way, price is going to be an issue here. DVD is cheap... Wii U practically is using blu ray: if the price is high (which will most likely be the case), as a game only machine Wii U is going to have to be very competetive with software. Anything like the 3DS's start and Nintendo will be in a little trouble.

There's a report on Engadget or Blastr where Nintendo's president has seemingly confirmed that there are no plans for the Wii U to support 2 of the new controllers. Apparently this is down to cost and they aren't ruling out future support for two controllers. Kinda sucks really.

^it does, but I am sure that will change by launch.

On another note:
No unified online for Wii U

A Gallery Of Wii U Trademarks Filed By Nintendo

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/07/20/a-gallery-of-wii-u-trademarks-from-nintendo/

Nintendo unveiled the Wii U and its novel tablet-meets-gamepad controller at E3. A few days before the tradeshow, Nintendo went on a trademark bonanza grabbing terms and variations of Mii U, Wii Music U, and even "Shield Pose" which was the name of one of the hands-on demos.

Nintendo has a habit of doing this after a console announcement, so these are likely protective trademarks. However, the terms Nintendo decided to protect give us a hint on what the publisher is thinking.

Here’s the full list of Wii U terms trademarked in Japan by Nintendo. While you’re scanning these, Keep an eye out for a magical moving U.



&Wii U + logo

Mii U

Wii Fit U

Wii Sports U

Wii Music U

Wii Party U

Wii Play U

WiiWare U

Wii Balance Board U

Balance Wii Board U

Wii Wheel U

Wii Zapper U

Wii U Fit

Wii U Music

Wii U Party

Wii U Sports

Wii U Play

Wii U Ware

Wii U Balance Board

Balance Wii U Board

Wii U Wheel

Wii U Zapper

Wii Speak U

Wii U Speak

Shield Pose