With MMO's you generally get the monthly fee ones and the free to play models.

Which do you prefer?

Monthly fee models generally include everything in the game, but every month you have to pay money to play.

Free to play models, let you play free but often have weapons, character slots or other items for purchase that can break the game for those who do not own them.

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Personally I prefer the monthly fee set up, If I am going to play an MMO seriously I would rather pay a set amount each month and have access to everything than not pay anythign and keep having to make micro transactions to get stuff.

i'm a bit broken on this.

While F2P is nice seeing as i don't have to pay to play the game the "Freemium" items are often "buy2win"

On the other hand, games with a monthly fee wont have that, but require that you play at least 2 hours a day to get your money's worth. Games Like EVE for instance are great as they also allow for the monthly payment to be done with ingame cash but the sheer amounts you would need mean that all your game time must be spent making enough money each month, and it often takes players 2-3 months before they can even do that.

My verdict: Ferret in nostril!


That said, If i had the IRL income to support it, I would defnit play a monthly fee game (specifically EVE)

I'm a fan of the once off payment option. You buy the game and you buy the expansions. Any thing else you want to buy within in-game auction houses is up to you, yet you have access to everything you need from the beginning that doesn't break the game or turn it into a pay-to-win experience.

Like Guild Wars does.

Most, but not all, F2P games cripple you badly if you choose not to subscribe or purchase in game items. If you want your investment back that badly, instead of blackmailing players into buying things otherwise they won't get anywhere in any sort of reasonable time, then charge a once off purchase fee or just go subs.

If a game is really fantastic, like Old Republic or Realm Reborn, then I'll consider subscribing.

Free2play games generally have pay2win features in them. I don't like these at all. It's like playing with your credit card /roleplaying as an ATM. What fun . They also have a lot of advertisments in them. I dont' want to feel like just a consumer. That is not gaming to me.

I don't mind monthly sub games if they provide regualar new content. WoW has done this well in the past, but now they are introducing "pay2win" features like instant 90s and max level professions. I see this failing big time. Having both sub and pay2win features in a game is just going to piss a lot of people off.

Maelstrom said ...


That said, If i had the IRL income to support it, I would defnit play a monthly fee game (specifically EVE)

If you get far enough in the game you don't need to use real money, but in game credits for your monthly subscription. It's Play2win and not Pay2win Super cool idea. Never played EVE as I know I will lose my soul to it - it looks that immersive

F2P is the only route i'll go, the monthly payment games are just way overpriced. i cringe when i look at how much the ffxiv subscriptions cost. the amount of money you spend on subscriptions adds up so fast you could probably buy the game multiple times after just a month or two. the game would have to be bloody amazing to get me pay monthly and i have yet to see an MMO that good.

I wasn't aware people loved paying to play their games so much here (judging by the poll results).

It's F2P or bust for me.

Pay, pay, pay ALL the way. Not just does one get ALL the content, but Pay to Play also keeps A LOT of the annoying mofo's at bay. You'll always have annoying ppl in P2P MMO's (like myself), but good god, make an MMo F2P and the lowest of low scumbags who crawl out of sewers will get into the game and just destroy it!.

I would never ever play an MMO that required a monthly fee.
Forget it.

I will compare FXIV: ARR here to a F2p game.

FFXIV:ARR Has not even been out for half a year, we have already had over 6 special events, one of them involving other Square games.

Patch 2.1 is already out which adds a whole lot to the game and patch 2.2 is around the corner.

Everyday there is something entirely different to do, whether it's your duty roulette quests or your beast tribe quests. Along with the treasure hunts if you are a gatherer.

Compared ot most F2P MMO's or Pay once where it is like here is game, you can buy more powerful[censored] if you want.

Uuuh yea wait till an expansion or something.

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Don't get me wrong, for me to actually pay to play the game has to provide for it Like WoW and FFXIV:ARR do. There have been plenty pay to play mmo's out there with monthly fee's and it's literally just to hold your character slot.

Corrosive said ...

Maelstrom said ...


That said, If i had the IRL income to support it, I would defnit play a monthly fee game (specifically EVE)

If you get far enough in the game you don't need to use real money, but in game credits for your monthly subscription. It's Play2win and not Pay2win Super cool idea. Never played EVE as I know I will lose my soul to it - it looks that immersive

as i said in my post aswell:

Games Like EVE for instance are great as they also allow for the monthly payment to be done with ingame cash but the sheer amounts you would need mean that all your game time must be spent making enough money each month, and it often takes players 2-3 months before they can even do that.

My ferret ran away

Maelstrom said ...


as i said in my post aswell:

Games Like EVE for instance are great as they also allow for the monthly payment to be done with ingame cash but the sheer amounts you would need mean that all your game time must be spent making enough money each month, and it often takes players 2-3 months before they can even do that.

Sorry I read this in a hurry (long day). My bad. 2-3 months seems like nothing though in an MMO world. That is about R600 in subs.

Woofels said ...

I will compare FXIV: ARR here to a F2p game.

FFXIV:ARR Has not even been out for half a year, we have already had over 6 special events, one of them involving other Square games.

Patch 2.1 is already out which adds a whole lot to the game and patch 2.2 is around the corner.

Everyday there is something entirely different to do, whether it's your duty roulette quests or your beast tribe quests. Along with the treasure hunts if you are a gatherer.

Compared ot most F2P MMO's or Pay once where it is like here is game, you can buy more powerful[censored] if you want.

Uuuh yea wait till an expansion or something.

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Don't get me wrong, for me to actually pay to play the game has to provide for it Like WoW and FFXIV:ARR do. There have been plenty pay to play mmo's out there with monthly fee's and it's literally just to hold your character slot.

PSO2 is F2P and they've like 50 updates and 100 expansions

^^

There is also a whole lot of pay to win in that lol

I'll only pay for the game, not going to pay extra to play the game. If they want to charge me a monthly fee then the game should be free or be like R100 for the physical copy to cover manufacturing costs.

I don't see any reason to charge more than that, the only MMO I'd play at the moment would be Elder Scrolls Online and that is becoming a joke, they want R700+ for the game and then monthly fees of R150, so to play the game for a year they expect people to pay over R2000 a year.

Corrosive said ...

Maelstrom said ...


as i said in my post aswell:

Games Like EVE for instance are great as they also allow for the monthly payment to be done with ingame cash but the sheer amounts you would need mean that all your game time must be spent making enough money each month, and it often takes players 2-3 months before they can even do that.

Sorry I read this in a hurry (long day). My bad. 2-3 months seems like nothing though in an MMO world. That is about R600 in subs.

EVE pricing:
For our players in the rest of the world: Cost per month vs. total cost:

1-month-plan $ 14.95 / $ 14.95
3-month-plan $ 12.95 / $ 38.85
6-month-plan $ 11.95 / $ 71.70
12-month-plan $10.95 / $ 131.40

Well even better. I was looking the Euro price

DEATHGIGAS said ...

I'm a fan of the once off payment option. You buy the game and you buy the expansions. Any thing else you want to buy within in-game auction houses is up to you, yet you have access to everything you need from the beginning that doesn't break the game or turn it into a pay-to-win experience.

Like Guild Wars does.

Most, but not all, F2P games cripple you badly if you choose not to subscribe or purchase in game items. If you want your investment back that badly, instead of blackmailing players into buying things otherwise they won't get anywhere in any sort of reasonable time, then charge a once off purchase fee or just go subs.

If a game is really fantastic, like Old Republic or Realm Reborn, then I'll consider subscribing.

^^I agree with this.

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I'm looking into WildStar right now.

It's subscription based but you can buy a 1 month credit item and sell it on the in-game market for gold.
The buyer then uses the item to add credit onto his/her subscription.

It seems like a decent idea but is still far from being ideal.

Corrosive said ...

Well even better. I was looking the Euro price

take note, 2-3 months is for serious EVE players (4+ hours per day) lighter players can take up to a year before they can pay with ingame

Woofels said ...

I will compare FXIV: ARR here to a F2p game.

FFXIV:ARR Has not even been out for half a year, we have already had over 6 special events, one of them involving other Square games.

Patch 2.1 is already out which adds a whole lot to the game and patch 2.2 is around the corner.

Everyday there is something entirely different to do, whether it's your duty roulette quests or your beast tribe quests. Along with the treasure hunts if you are a gatherer.

Compared ot most F2P MMO's or Pay once where it is like here is game, you can buy more powerful[censored] if you want.

Uuuh yea wait till an expansion or something.

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Don't get me wrong, for me to actually pay to play the game has to provide for it Like WoW and FFXIV:ARR do. There have been plenty pay to play mmo's out there with monthly fee's and it's literally just to hold your character slot.

Neverwinter hasn't been out that long. It's fun, if shallow. You're not as badly crippled as in other free mmo's, but you do have to grind a fair amount to get the best weapons and armour. However they do have plenty of special events and 2 expansions out already. It's one of the few f2p mmo's I've kept playing because it actually is fun and has some of that Neverwinter Nights feel going for it. Plus there's a level editor